ACK ACK ACK/KING ALEXANDER/SCARECROWS/FUCK BUTTONS 24.03

[sywt]

SAVE YOUR WISDOM TEETH PRESENTS...

ACK ACK ACK
KING ALEXANDER
SCARECROWS
FUCK BUTTONS

FRIDAY 24TH MARCH AT THE JUNCTION
8PM. £4 ON THE DOOR

ACK ACK ACK
Arab On Radar/Melt Banana/Sonic Youth-compared noise from Brighton, with Lightning Bolt-esque gas mask vocals, and Ash from Charlottefield on drums. No website up yet but you can download a track from their forthcoming 12" release through Running Riot here:

http://www.runningriotrecords.co.uk/download/ack%20ack%20ack%20-%20alley%20juice.mp3

or listen to it here: http://www.myspace.com/saveyourwisdomteeth


KING ALEXANDER
Cardiff Post-punk-pop trio recently described by Artrocker as ‘buzz-saw guitars and abrasive riffing in stop-start mode of a hybrid Mclusky/Help She Can't Swim/Kaito’
http://www.myspace.com/allhailtheking

SCARECROWS
Tortoise inspired post rock/jazz from members of Murder Of Rosa Luxemburg.
http://www.myspace.com/scarecrows

FUCK BUTTONS
Bristol/London duo creating Black Dice/Wolf Eyes influenced, Fisherprice toy-utlising technicolour noise.
http://www.myspace.com/fuckbuttons

[stroidy]

woah fuckign top line up.

[sywt]

woah fuckign top line up.

thanks, yep, fucking top. Come to this!

[Presuming Ed]

Have heard very good things about Ack Ack Ack. I very much hope to attend this.

[kwidam kelkonk]

i've never heard any ack ack ack but if it's the drummer from charlottefield they MUST be good.

sadly i can't make it to this due to other commitments.

[sywt]

to the top for this...bump.

[sywt]

remember remember. a week friday, this.

[stroidy]

THIS LINE UP IS AMAZING. I was meant to be home this day, but sadly i cant make it either because of other commitments. Seeing people say this when you're a promoter isn't fun. but this should be packed.

[Andre The Giant]

I thought ACK, ACK, ACK were ! ! ! but that was how you say it. Surely it should be written ! ! ! ?

[benjamin power]

I thought ACK, ACK, ACK were ! ! ! but that was how you say it. Surely it should be written ! ! ! ?

you're thinking of CHK CHK CHK, me old mucker

[Andre The Giant]

Doh. Minus 2,000 scene points for me.

[kwidam kelkonk]

!!! used to say their name was pronounced with any 3 repeated words (eg pow pow pow, bang bang bang) which would make ack ack ack technically one of !!!'s possible names. i for one am miffed that they settled on chk chk chk though and not jessop jessop jessop.

[HUNG GANG]

check pms swyt

[sywt]

not 100% but i think the ack x3 name references minutemen.

button, the pms have been checked but there's nothing there?

[Noel]

Joel from Scarecrows writes: "Hey chap, know anyone with a cheap van? Were on your in 2 weeks and ours just fell thru!" HELP A BROTHER OUT! (PM me or something if you can)

[el Jefe]

If anyone has mates in Leeds, let them know about this related shindig that is occurring soon:

[Commander Ballsack]

cool!

[stroidy]

don't think there's anyone on here with links with leeds...

[HUNG GANG]

hello dave sywt... should have sent pm now

[stroidy]

i met the guy putting that gig one the other day... hes very nice and funny. he puts on alot of pure noise gigs. sailors are pretty good, young new band with female drummer.

[el Jefe]

sailors are pretty good, young new band with female drummer.

Indeed they are. They're playing bristol with The Unit Ama and Colonel K on 18th April at the Junction.

[sywt]

get up!

[Daishi]

I'm definitely gonna try and make this. I've been too poor to go to the other gigs this weekend! King Alexander are brilliant, I haven't seen any of the others...

[sywt]

Tonight! Doors 8pm, Fuck Buttons on at 8:30. Come on down.

[Daishi]

Well... um, here's my 'review'.

http://www.skipthebudgie.org/reviews/ac ... k_mar_24th

King Alexander were good, yay!

And Ack Ack Ack's drummer. The rest was, well...

[stroidy]

exactly what I thought of scarecrows the other day in leeds and so did everyone else in the audience. I'd like to see them in a few years, see if they've improved. Becuase they have the potential do be very good I think, just need to learn to give it some cunt.

[yushbombn]

Well... um, here's my 'review'.

http://www.skipthebudgie.org/reviews/ac ... k_mar_24th

King Alexander were good, yay!

And Ack Ack Ack's drummer. The rest was, well...

how are fuck buttons childish?

[Daishi]

They are childish because they sound and behave like they have just found out how to make loud noisey distortion, and all they do over it is bang some (pretty bad) rhythms and shout incomprehensibly over the top.

It's what I used to do with my mate at school.

Of course I may be wrong and there might be some 'point' to it, but still...

[HUNG GANG]

and all they do over it is bang some (pretty bad) rhythms and shout incomprehensibly over the top.
...

bad as in badly out of time, or cheesy or..?

[Daishi]

and all they do over it is bang some (pretty bad) rhythms and shout incomprehensibly over the top.
...

bad as in badly out of time, or cheesy or..?

...As in basic, simple, annoying.

It wasn't out of time, it wasn't in any way cheesy, I'm sure it's exactly the way you wanted it to sound (except for being in the junction, which is lovely, but not conducive to a perfect soundstage), I just really didn't like the noise!

[yushbombn]

and all they do over it is bang some (pretty bad) rhythms and shout incomprehensibly over the top.
...

bad as in badly out of time, or cheesy or..?

...As in basic, simple, annoying.

so you are saying music has to be complicated to be good?

[Daishi]

No

[benjamin power]

They are childish because they sound and behave like they have just found out how to make loud noisey distortion, and all they do over it is bang some (pretty bad) rhythms and shout incomprehensibly over the top.

It's what I used to do with my mate at school.

Of course I may be wrong and there might be some 'point' to it, but still...

how do people who 'have just found out how to make noisy distortion' behave, just out of interest? i think you may be missing the point...

i'll admit our sound was shit that night though.

[enKevlogramme.]

They are childish because they sound and behave like they have just found out how to make loud noisey distortion, and all they do over it is bang some (pretty bad) rhythms and shout incomprehensibly over the top.

It's what I used to do with my mate at school.

Of course I may be wrong and there might be some 'point' to it, but still...

how do people who 'have just found out how to make noisy distortion' behave, just out of interest? i think you may be missing the point...

i'll admit our sound was shit that night though.

They behave like you two do, only less homosexually. Duh.

[Daishi]

They are childish because they sound and behave like they have just found out how to make loud noisey distortion, and all they do over it is bang some (pretty bad) rhythms and shout incomprehensibly over the top.

It's what I used to do with my mate at school.

Of course I may be wrong and there might be some 'point' to it, but still...

how do people who 'have just found out how to make noisy distortion' behave, just out of interest? i think you may be missing the point...

i'll admit our sound was shit that night though.

Um... It's pretty obvious what I mean. like people who have just discovered anything - like powerchords.. you play them over and over again. experiment to see what happens afterwards. Bang some stuff. Shout a bit. I suppose I could have been nicer but I have a headache.

Still, I'm happy to be missing the point too! Like I said, it's probably meant to be like that, there might be some 'point' to it so who would I be to try to change it? If I want to listen to something different I'll listen to something different and next time I'll be outside, and I'll have to write 'they might be better, but I don't know coz I was outside'.

EDIT: Anyone got a shovel?

[benjamin power]

Um... It's pretty obvious what I mean. like people who have just discovered anything - like powerchords.. you play them over and over again. experiment to see what happens afterwards. Bang some stuff. Shout a bit. I suppose I could have been nicer but I have a headache.

i think you're making some wonderfully sweeping generalisations here. you win a prize.

[Methods that Pound]

They are childish because they sound and behave like they have just found out how to make loud noisey distortion, and all they do over it is bang some (pretty bad) rhythms and shout incomprehensibly over the top.

It's what I used to do with my mate at school.

Of course I may be wrong and there might be some 'point' to it, but still...

how do people who 'have just found out how to make noisy distortion' behave, just out of interest? i think you may be missing the point...

i'll admit our sound was shit that night though.

Um... It's pretty obvious what I mean. like people who have just discovered anything - like powerchords.. you play them over and over again. experiment to see what happens afterwards. Bang some stuff. Shout a bit. I suppose I could have been nicer but I have a headache.

Still, I'm happy to be missing the point too! Like I said, it's probably meant to be like that, there might be some 'point' to it so who would I be to try to change it? If I want to listen to something different I'll listen to something different and next time I'll be outside, and I'll have to write 'they might be better, but I don't know coz I was outside'.

EDIT: Anyone got a shovel?

I thought your comment about bands trying to play metal but without heavy guitars - so it comes out thin and harsh, was funny, in the same way that listening to my dad talk about Hip Hop is funny.

[Daishi]

Heh shit, I think I said that about Hunting Lodge years ago didn't I? I also get your point - um I think.

Ho hum, making a lot of friends today, hey?

Still Ben - thanks for the prize. Trying to describe stuff is difficult, I'm sure the generalising debate can go on and on. On one hand we're trying to explain how something sounds to people who haven't heard it, how it appears, and on the other we want to treat every band and every sound as its own unique concept and experience. Which is why bands don't like being compared to other things. It makes it seem unoriginal. Which is why you want to know exactly, precisely what I mean. Because I wrote it down. I understand.

[enKevlogramme.]

Heh shit, I think I said that about Hunting Lodge years ago didn't I? I also get your point - um I think.

Ho hum, making a lot of friends today, hey?

Still Ben - thanks for the prize. Trying to describe stuff is difficult, I'm sure the generalising debate can go on and on. On one hand we're trying to explain how something sounds to people who haven't heard it, how it appears, and on the other we want to treat every band and every sound as its own unique concept and experience. Which is why bands don't like being compared to other things. It makes it seem unoriginal. Which is why you want to know exactly, precisely what I mean. Because I wrote it down. I understand.

I shouldn't really stick my oar in, but I'm going to - I think the problem is that what the Buttons do is quite subtle [i]if[/if] (and it's a big if) you're familiar with what they're trying to do, the kind of records they're listening to. I think criticism can seem more offensive if it's incongruous. Of course, we all have our opinions and it's really stupid to tell people they shouldn't have them. Perhaps what I'm saying is that there's no point taking offence if you're a folk band at a metal night - the majority of the crowd aren't really going to what the folk band are doing. This is all working on the assumption that Dash isn't really too much of a fan of the kind of things that the Buttons are doing, similar to Methods' post above.

Well, ignore this at will, carry on. As you were troops.

[Methods that Pound]

Heh shit, I think I said that about Hunting Lodge years ago didn't I? I also get your point - um I think.

Ho hum, making a lot of friends today, hey?

Still Ben - thanks for the prize. Trying to describe stuff is difficult, I'm sure the generalising debate can go on and on. On one hand we're trying to explain how something sounds to people who haven't heard it, how it appears, and on the other we want to treat every band and every sound as its own unique concept and experience. Which is why bands don't like being compared to other things. It makes it seem unoriginal. Which is why you want to know exactly, precisely what I mean. Because I wrote it down. I understand.

First of your reviews I've read - don't know if you said it about us. I imagine you would though.
Not worried if you like us or not. Many many people don't.
All I mean is that you clearly don't have a handle on these bands with which to make a meaningful judgement. My dad says things like "there's no melody there, it's repetitive" about hiphop because there's melody in 70s prog rock and it isn't quite so repetitive. Also, for some reason the lyrics of Yes songs make more sense to him than Hip Hop lyrics.

edit - what kevlon said.....

[Daishi]

Right I see.

So you have to have a deeper knowledge of the bands, what they are trying to achieve, what they listen to etc before you can say what you think about the music? You need to know the artist's mood before you judge a painting?

I don't know enough about noise music / experimentalism / metal whatever to make a meaningful judgement? I haven't watched Hunting Lodge four times, seen Team Brick loads, Silev, Sunn(o))), Maiof?

I'm probably wrong about the 'metal', maybe they aren't trying to be a different version of that thrash/punk/metal sound. I just think (feel, want) it should be heavier...

Also - yeah I'm not much of a fan, but I generally try to go to stuff that I haven't heard before, I try not to listen to it beforehand so I can have a fresh perspective on what happens.

I'm not taking offense, I expected noise, I got noise. I listen to tons of music. Lots and lots of different colours and flavours.

Can some explain what they were trying to do then, if it's too subtle fer me?

[Noel]

Critical appraisals of certain types of music by people who know little or nothing about that music are perfectly legitimate. Sometimes I find them more interesting than some techy trainspotter's verbal dissection. Just so long as you're prepared to be called out on stuff by people who are properly into their shit

[enKevlogramme.]

Right I see.

So you have to have a deeper knowledge of the bands, what they are trying to achieve, what they listen to etc before you can say what you think about the music? You need to know the artist's mood before you judge a painting?

No, that's bollocks. I was working on the basis of incongruous criticism, as in it's pointless to criticise Duchamp (name out of hat) for not being Picasso. I was obviously mistaken.

I don't know enough about noise music / experimentalism / metal whatever to make a meaningful judgement? I haven't watched Hunting Lodge four times, seen Team Brick loads, Silev, Sunn(o))), Maiof?

I'm not taking offense, I expected noise, I got noise. I listen to tons of music. Lots and lots of different colours and flavours.

Can some explain what they were trying to do then, if it's too subtle fer me?

I wasn't intimating you didn't know your onions. If it seems that way then I'm sorry. The criticism of 'boys who've just discovered distortion' suggested to me that you were missing that a lot of noise-y music is pretty much exactly that. I love Sunn, but they're, technically, little more than boys with a lot of fancy effects and two chords. I think the Buttons are closer to the fudgy drones of Ashtray Navigations or Wolf Eyes than the names above. Ultimately, it's pointless defending them, I like them (though I didn't see this gig), you didn't. Your criticism, to my reading, seems to suggest an lack of interest in noisier elements on your part, which is obviously wrong of me. I recind all other comments.

[Methods that Pound]

So you have to have a deeper knowledge of the bands, what they are trying to achieve, what they listen to etc before you can say what you think about the music? You need to know the artist's mood before you judge a painting?

No of course you don't need any idea of the intentions/mood of an artist.
But you do need to be willing to judge something on its own ground, otherwise you're working with a set of criteria which are inappropriate what's in front of you. It's like saying that there's not enough gore in Werner Herzog's films.
There are roughly two responses to guitars that don't sound like metal guitars - you either judge it by metal standards which perhaps don't fit, or you figure there's another set of criteria at work here.

Basically you can do and say what you like, but it will be apparent to people who understand the music that you don't. Which isn't to say that you need to like the music - you can, and probably will, still think it's rubbish. You might even disagree with their aesthetic criteria, but that's a very different thing from not having a clue what their aesthetic criteria are/not understanding their aesthetic criteria.

[Daishi]

Critical appraisals of certain types of music by people who know little or nothing about that music are perfectly legitimate. Sometimes I find them more interesting than some techy trainspotter's verbal dissection. Just so long as you're prepared to be called out on stuff by people who are properly into their shit

That's a good point. I suppose the reason I write the way I do (and please, guys this was not my best attempt at reviewing ever) is that I do believe we should be accountable for what we say and that we say what we believe. No compromising. No 'I like their drummer'. Although Ack Ack Ack's drummer was great! And I believe that people should be able to defend themselves.

I don't mean to be so attack/defensive but so far all I've had is people attacking what I've said.

I've been told I don't get the point and I don't know enough etc etc but no-one's yet tried to tell me what the point is supposed to be.

Yet again, there's been another argument about why there's no point in arguing.

I take no offense from anything people have said. I'm defending myself, that's all.

The criticism of 'boys who've just discovered distortion' suggested to me that you were missing that a lot of noise-y music is pretty much exactly that.

What you are missing, is that if I am writing for people who don't know what noise music is, then this is an apt description if it is exactly that.

So I describe something and say I don't like it. People understand what I'm describing and don't like the way I said it. When you go out to see Fuck Buttons, thinking I'm a cunt, this is still what you're going to hear. People playing with noise.

[Daishi]

So you have to have a deeper knowledge of the bands, what they are trying to achieve, what they listen to etc before you can say what you think about the music? You need to know the artist's mood before you judge a painting?

No of course you don't need any idea of the intentions/mood of an artist.
But you do need to be willing to judge something on its own ground, otherwise you're working with a set of criteria which are inappropriate what's in front of you. It's like saying that there's not enough gore in Werner Herzog's films.
There are roughly two responses to guitars that don't sound like metal guitars - you either judge it by metal standards which perhaps don't fit, or you figure there's another set of criteria at work here.

Basically you can do and say what you like, but it will be apparent to people who understand the music that you don't. Which isn't to say that you need to like the music - you can, and probably will, still think it's rubbish. You might even disagree with their aesthetic criteria, but that's a very different thing from not having a clue what their aesthetic criteria are/not understanding their aesthetic criteria.

Yeah, I'm with you. I just feel like I have to say why I don't like something, I didn't realise that it would appear so much like I am telling them to be different. perhaps a change of wording would be a good idea.

[Noel]

Ack Ack Ack's drummer is great! I think he is in Charlottefield as well

[Methods that Pound]

Ack Ack Ack's drummer is great! I think he is in Charlottefield as well

if it's the same guy (huge beard) then he is great.
And a lovely bloke too.